Posts by TJ Curioso

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Religious Shunning and Survival

http://wyso.org/post/religious-shunning-and-survival

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Exactly! It's why books like Steven Hassan and others cults expert are necessary to expose and inform to the public how cults work and indoctrine people. It's necessary too that ex-members of cults came to the public expose them. People like Cedars and many others from others cults are doing that job.

Unfortunately there are people like You, that pretend to reduce this work, criticizing or trying to ignore the valid points they raise on sects they criticize and expose.

I would like you to leave here a list of books that you think may help to inform the common people about the destructive sects.

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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TJ Curioso

Enzo You forget something in Your ilustration. When You climb a moutain You know the risks envolved. The problem is that the majority of persons don't know or cannot identified what is a potencial "destructive cult". The Cult misrepresent itself so the person don't understand the manipulation and the control that is envolved.

And that is the problem with cults! A lot of people don't see JW as a dangerous cult. Others don't see Cientology as a dangerous cult. And so on... It is why many people continue to join the ranks of these groups.

If they have all the information about them, they will join? I think the majority don't! But that information is often hidden. And when the person understand or fill that is something wrong, she is trapped in. And the pain to get out is to much.

When people like me and Cedars, that grow up in the cult, its even more difficult because all our life was built around the religion and have friends, familie, etc. with in the cult.

If You never belong to this kind of thing, it's difficult to You understand.

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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TJ Curioso

Enzo I really don't understand Your position in this subject and why You enforce the ideia that the religion as nothing to do with things like shunning familiars, etc. and that this is not "undue influence".

If You have a religious organization that say to is members that is the God's "sole channel" on earth, everything that comes from her is seen as having God approval. EVERYTHING!

Even something like: "don't take a blood transfusion even if Your loved one face the risk of death". Well, if people are able of this, why not do things like shunning the relatives that get out from the religion, as the religion tell to do?

For Your point of view tell me one thing that You think identifies "undue influence" in a cult.

About courts and undue influence see this:

Cults in American Society: A Legal Analysis of Undue Influence, Fraud, and Misrepresentation

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H1dF0wBCS2509VGT4ulMyZW9JeUfEjEnCbJUAeYbmh8/edit

(see more articles about cults and "undue influence" here: http://scholar.google.com.br/scholar?start=0&q=undue+influence+cults&hl=pt-PT&as_sdt=0,5

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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TJ Curioso

Oubliette: exactly what really happened, and this reality only God knows. Because someone is claiming something, don't means that he is telling the whole truth.. in italian we call this type of persons who beliefs everything: creduloni...

Enzo as I said, the experience of Cedars is the same as hundreds or thousands. You don't see a pattern here???

Tj curioso: Leggitimate influence is permissible.. Read my post carefully before making conclusions. i thought that with a university degree you would be better in making conclusions...

I don't have a university degree. I'm still in the university...
I don't understand as You say that a religion that commands parents to shunning is sons or otherwise is considered "leggitimate influence". Incredible!

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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TJ Curioso

Enzo the story of Cedars it's the story of hundred, if not thousands of people that left the Watchtower. And because "undue influence" don't exist only in religious organizations that not make it good or permissible.

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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

by Enzo in

hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

TJ Curioso

Enzo I ask You to see this conference. It's matter for this subject:

London Press Conference on UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

http://youtu.be/wtkHwfSnQ7o

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Justin Welby - Archbishop of Canterbury says......

by quellycatface in

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that sometimes he has doubts about god and why he allows so much evil and suffering in the world.. fair play to him.. can't see any members of the gb admitting that in public, or any of the eldurrs etc...... .

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TJ Curioso

He don't have the TRUTH®...

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My JW mom is now willing to "listen" to our side...Need advice pls

by 2pink in

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my husband and i (both born in jws with extended family all "in" except for one of my sisters who left when we did) left the church 5 years ago.

we did not fade, we just didn't believe it anymore, told our families so and left.

obviously, big drama in our family after this, messy feelings, etc.

TJ Curioso

2pink, any news about Your Mum?

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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

by Enzo in

hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

TJ Curioso

tjcurioso: What happens in a lot of families where there are tensions? very often they don't speak years with each other.. or till they dies. And good family relations are broken.. Very sad, with my work I often deal with such situations.... why is this conduct accept, and why is nobody ring on the alarm bell? i know a lot of JW's who have contact with expelled family despite the policy they have to follow.. And of course others who are following strictly the rules...

Enzo, I don't understand Your comparison. We are not talking about familie and all the problems existing in the midle. We are discussing the evidence that points to a certain group as a cult and what determines that group as a cult.

The shunning is ALWAYS a clue that certain group can be or certainly is "destructive cult" or use great control over the members, creating a mentality of us vs. them. The religion of the Witnesses don't have this clue alone (shunning), and if You read all the books that exist about cults and articles about that and compare to the JW, You can see that many of the characteristics attributed to cults fit perfectly in the JW religion. Don't all of them, but many do.

London111 only mention some aspects but there are many more.

See the book Take Back Your Life by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias in page 327-328 were are mention characteristics associated with Cultic Groups and compare with the JW.

There are 15 characteristics mention there and in the JW religion at least 12 fit.